[-empyre-] glitch device/divide

Curt Cloninger curt at lab404.com
Sat Dec 10 07:52:47 EST 2011

Hi Eduardo (Andreas, and all),

The apparant paradox of "The void is all there is" merely reveals the 
prejudice toward "presence" which is built into predicative language 
systems. It doesn't really prove anything other than language is 
unable to access The Artist Formerly Known As The Void (which seems 
to be Andreas' point).

Just because a concensus of post-post-structuralist people have 
agreed to use language to reduce the entire world to language, that 
doesn't mean all contemporary people have to drink that same flavor 
of cool aid. There are other plateaus of immanence besides language 
(that "exists" in "realms" other than ascii-centric listservs). Yes, 
a romantic quest ideed (but hopefully rigorous); within and without 

Way Off and/or On Topic,

At 10:11 PM -0500 12/8/11, Eduardo Navas wrote:
>Dear Andreas,
>I think others have moved past my comment on to more complex ground, 
>but I should follow up to a couple of points you make.
>On discourse: the very fact that we are communicating about the 
>specificity of glitch as an art form is proof enough that we are 
>dealing within a specialized field.  This is all my statement means.
>Regarding your statement on the "pre-discursive," it is safe to say 
>that in our times, it is common knowledge, at least based on what is 
>left to us after poststructuralism, that it is impossible to 
>function outside the symbolic.  There is no such thing as 
>"pre-discursive."  A search for such an element may closely appear 
>to be romantic.
>To this effect, your statement: "The void is *all* there *is*" 
>exposes that through negation existence is confirmed.  
>Eduardo Navas
>On 12/8/11 6:19 AM, "Andreas Maria Jacobs" <ajaco at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>I wonder why discourse should have relevance at all, I think what 
>matters is to uncover a field which is *inherently* pre-discursive 
>and *existent but not known* and consequently *before* any 
>possibility of interpretation.
>Artists task is to observe - from their own subjectivities - a 
>*probable* - because not yet commonly perceived - future 
>understanding of the phenomenal appearances of perceived/sensual 
>Also I do think that just that makes it possible to (re)gain 
>*truthful* insight in *reality*, wether technological, political, 
>societal or personal and where aesthetics plays no role. (i.e. 
>whether it is boring or not, does not matter, because that again is 
>discursive and supposedly based on previous knowledgeability of the 
>mental gestalts of being bored, surprised, touched etc etc )
>The conservative - literary - *art worlds* collect, maintain and 
>indeed conserve quasi-religious fetishized material forms, which are 
>but indicators of what lies beyond them
>Andreas Maria Jacobs
>"The void is *all* there *is*"

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