thanks Ana!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Ana Valdés <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:agora158@gmail.com">agora158@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I was there a week only but all ppl I met (Turks everyone) told me they felt the &quot;turkization&quot; and the erasing of the Byzantine past, very well related in the book &quot;From the Holy Mountain&quot;, by William Dalrymple.<br>


He did a trip between the monasteries in Syria, Palestina and Turkey and saw the intentionality of the erasing of all traces of former cultures.<br>Did you enter the Hagia Sofia? Crumbling away with zero maintenance...<br>


Ana<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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hi Ana, just wondering why you feel &#39;all the remnants of the past are crumbling away&#39; ? On the contrary, I feel the successive layers of history are very much alive, and also the mixity of the population and the neighborhoods<br>



, with so many recent first-generation immigrants from the rural Anatolian countryside, represent quite a mixture of temporalities, etc ... very unlike western europe, where only the buildings remain ... extented families and village cooperative solidarity also remain realities, as far as I could ascertain from speaking with Turkish friends (I gave a lecture to an all-turkish audience yesterday)<br>



<br>Michel<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><div>On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Ana Valdés <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:agora158@gmail.com" target="_blank">agora158@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


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I am bit curious about how did the people who travelled to Istanbul for the first time experienced the city itself, Turkey and all the contradictions and the multiple layers of meaning residing in this old city where all the remnants of it&#39;s past are crumbling away. As you know many Turks want to be a part of Europe and join the EC, but many others want keep the country&#39;s isolation.<br>





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