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    Peter Lamborn Wilson<br>
    sorry to be pedantic :-)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/14 5:28 PM, Ana Valdes wrote:<br>
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      <div>I read Hakim Bey (William Lambert Wilson) at the beginning of
        the net when Autonomedia started and we all believed the myth
        "information want to be free". He was a big inspiration for me
        as well and I think his theory of the TAZ, temporary autonomous
        zones, is an interesting contribution to a new geography based
        more on the imaginary than on political borders.&nbsp;</div>
      <div>Ana</div>
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        <div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Enviado desde Samsung
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      -------- Mensaje original --------<br>
      De: Murat Nemet-Nejat <muratnn@gmail.com> <br>
        Fecha:11/11/2014 18:22 (GMT-03:00) <br>
        A: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au> <br>
          Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] sample from today <br>
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                  <div>Ana, well not always. Remember Conrad's <i>The
                      Secret Agent</i>? But anarchist had less power
                    than institutional power&nbsp; to wreak destruction and,
                    as far as I know, none of them was a suicide bomber,
                    the tool that gives the modern terrorist the ability
                    to influence minds far beyond their numbers.<br>
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                  Interestingly, Hakim Bey regards himself an anarchist
                  and now lives some place, I think, upstate New York in
                  "retirement." His books on Sufism, its subversive
                  position within Islam, had a great influence on my
                  work.<br>
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                I always wandered the adoption of "Hakim Bey" as a <i>nom
                  de guerre </i>since Hakim Bey is the name of the
                uniformed Turkish police officer, played by Orson Wells,
                in the film <i>A Cask for Demetrius</i>.<br>
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              Ciao,<br>
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            Murat<br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:04 PM,
              Ana Vald&eacute;s <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:agora158@gmail.com" target="_blank">agora158@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
              wrote:<br>
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                    <div>I had a discussion with Murray Bookchin once,
                      he visited us, the anarchist collective I lived
                      with at that time, in Stockholm. We translated
                      into Swedish his book about Ecology. He was a true
                      individualist anarchist, he was very suspicious
                      about us, about how we manage to live together
                      work together and spend free time together :)<br>
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                    He defended the right to wear weapon and to defend
                    himself against anyone wanting to harm him. For us
                    his these about citizen militie and armed vigilantes
                    to watch the autogestionated societies was
                    unthinkable.<br>
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                  <div>You are totally right, the anarchists nihilists
                    from the end of the 19th century and beginning to
                    the 20th century were considered today's terrorists
                    :) But their agenda was less bloody ;(<br>
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                  Ana<br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:26
                    PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:muratnn@gmail.com" target="_blank">muratnn@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                            <div>Ana, in the United States, the
                              Libertarians have an idealized version of
                              19th century America, a De Toquevillean
                              paradise, where "freedom" prevailed. In my
                              view, all these are different, but very
                              related, expressions of alienation. What
                              is the cause of these splintered
                              explosions of violence? At the heart, it
                              seems to me, is the fall of the Soviet
                              Union. In the preceding bipolar world,
                              where there was an overarching threat of a
                              world war/nuclear explosion, these
                              alienations (always there) were
                              suppressed, very often with the tacit
                              consent of the governed. After the fall,
                              the overarching, unimaginable, maximal
                              threat gone, the tacit contract of the
                              cold war is gone. Previously suppressed
                              (or unheard) voices begin to speak with
                              potentially, often violent, centrifugal
                              force. Ironically, a lot of the violence,
                              which the majority of us experience
                              virtually, is primarily the result of
                              increased freedom; second, the exponential
                              advance in digital technology that makes
                              these expressions--often of alienating
                              violence we choose to call
                              terror(ism)--visible to us. One should
                              remember "terrorist" is a word (an ism)
                              coined by politicians starting in the
                              1970's.<br>
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                            I wonder how "terrorist" is different from
                            "anarchist" which was the word of choice a
                            hundred years ago. Do they, in subtle ways,
                            mean different things? Perhaps, "anarchist"
                            (along with had, in 19th century, a
                            philosophical structure underpinning it.
                            Some political thinkers/actors openly
                            embraced it (read <i>The Parisian Arcades</i>
                            or <i>The Possessed</i>). Whereas, in our
                            day, no one, no group embraces the term
                            terrorist; but tries to rationalize it,
                            often calling the opposing party the real
                            terrorist. In that sense, terrorism is a
                            violence with no human face, no intellectual
                            rational; it is a convenient term for those
                            actors of "rationalized violence" (states or
                            would-be states) to distinguish themselves
                            from it.<br>
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                          We all in this thread have been asking how an
                          individual, particularly as an artist or a
                          thinker or an actor, can react in the face of
                          the pervasive omni-visible, often virtual but
                          potentially actual violence. In my view, the
                          best an individual can do is to analyze and
                          develop a <u>consciousness</u> of the
                          machinations of this violence, the methods,
                          the techniques it uses to impose itself on the
                          rest of us.<br>
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                        Ciao,<br>
                        <br>
                        Murat<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at
                          10:48 AM, Ana Vald&eacute;s <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:agora158@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">agora158@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                                <div>Thank you Murat! I feel that the
                                  apocalyptical utopies from Boko Haram
                                  and ISIS trying to shape their own
                                  worldorder are signs of our time. ISIS
                                  is invoking the Caliphate, the go back
                                  to Al Andalous, a kind of golden age
                                  where Paradise loomed with it's fruits
                                  and rewards. Boko Haram want,
                                  regarding to their narrative, go back
                                  to the Africa from before
                                  colonization, a continent where mighty
                                  empires lived in harmony with the
                                  Earth. <br>
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                                The fact they impose their new order
                                with terror and harshness is a kind of
                                symbolical and pagane cosmogony, they
                                want take distance from "our" gods, for
                                them education in Western terms is an
                                abomination, the suicide bomber who
                                killed himself yesterday killing 50
                                students is a true representant of their
                                philosophy or beliefs. For us is
                                education normalization, progress,
                                development, enlightenment, for them is
                                education a deadly sin.<br>
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                              Ana<br>
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                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 11,
                                2014 at 12:46 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <span
                                  dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:muratnn@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">muratnn@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                        <div>Ana, the "kind of new
                                          structure without visible
                                          heads[, a] new kind of feudal
                                          contract... inhabited by
                                          people without voices" is
                                          actually exactly what the
                                          largest modern states are
                                          striving for, China, the
                                          United States, Russia: to give
                                          enough food and trinkets and
                                          spectacles and popular wars to
                                          the population so that, at
                                          least passively, they support
                                          you, always the implicit
                                          threat of violence
                                          ("punishment" or withdrawal of
                                          goods) against those who want
                                          "to have a voice." This is a
                                          kind of "benevolent
                                          feudalism," la familia of an
                                          idealized Godfather-like
                                          Mafia. In the United States,
                                          the financial institutions and
                                          a small number of corporations
                                          are our invisible citizens,
                                          who supposedly, as "job
                                          creators," are feeding the
                                          rest of us and can keep us at
                                          least passively happy..<br>
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                                        One should not forget the place
                                        of digital technology which, it
                                        is becoming progressively
                                        clearer, is the tool that
                                        enables the concentration of
                                        power and wealth (therefore, the
                                        production of supportive
                                        mythologies) in the hands of
                                        fewer and fewer people.<br>
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                                      Ciao,<br>
                                      <br>
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                                    Murat<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov
                                      11, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Ana Vald&eacute;s <span
                                        dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:agora158@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">agora158@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                                  <div>Thank you
                                                    Gabriela for your
                                                    interesting
                                                    description of the
                                                    non-violent answer
                                                    to the state
                                                    violence installed
                                                    in Mexico. I was in
                                                    Yucatan when I did
                                                    my field work in
                                                    social anthropology
                                                    and met many
                                                    zapatistas and
                                                    indingeous working
                                                    in the caracoles,
                                                    the free zones kept
                                                    by the zapatistas at
                                                    that time.<br>
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                                                  It was same years
                                                  before I was in Gaza
                                                  and it strucked me
                                                  Gaza and Mexico and
                                                  Italy shared a common
                                                  denominator: a weak
                                                  state left the
                                                  citizens vulnerable
                                                  and frustrated and the
                                                  field was overtaken
                                                  for organizations who
                                                  cared for the everyday
                                                  life. It explained how
                                                  the drug cartels when
                                                  the Colombian Pablo
                                                  Escobar was alive
                                                  cared for the citizens
                                                  in the small towns and
                                                  got a lot of support
                                                  from the people.<br>
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                                                In Mexico it was the
                                                zapatistas who built up
                                                a feeling of community
                                                and started to
                                                autogestionate or
                                                selfgovern the
                                                territories abandonned
                                                by the state.<br>
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                                              In Gaza was Hamas who took
                                              care of the police and the
                                              daycare.<br>
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                                            Hakim Bey explains it with
                                            his TAZ, Temporary
                                            Autonomous Zone, where he
                                            uses the examples of the
                                            camorra in Italy and the
                                            zapatistas as well to
                                            explain territories
                                            separating themselves from
                                            the central state, far from
                                            them, a kind of new
                                            structure without visible
                                            heads. A new kind of feudal
                                            contract. The "Non Places"
                                            in Marc Aug&eacute;s terms, in the
                                            middle of nowhere,
                                            inhabitated by the people
                                            without voices.<br>
                                          </div>
                                          Ana<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                            Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:51
                                            AM, Gabriela Vargas-Cetina <span
                                              dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:gabyvargasc@prodigy.net.mx"
                                                target="_blank">gabyvargasc@prodigy.net.mx</a>&gt;</span>
                                            wrote:<br>
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                                                <div>Dear all,<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Thank you for this
                                                  month's discussion and
                                                  thank you for bringing
                                                  in what is happening
                                                  in Mexico to this very
                                                  difficult but very
                                                  needed conversation.&nbsp;
                                                  Here in Mexico the
                                                  news have been
                                                  emotionally draining
                                                  for most everyone, and
                                                  now that our President
                                                  has left to go to
                                                  China for diplomatic
                                                  talks, many Mexicans
                                                  are asking for his
                                                  resignation.&nbsp; The
                                                  newspapers have been
                                                  commenting here in
                                                  Yucatan how people
                                                  even from the
                                                  wealthier strata of
                                                  regional society are
                                                  going to the marches
                                                  and protests over the
                                                  murder of the
                                                  students.&nbsp; I guess we
                                                  are all trying to
                                                  perform out our
                                                  grieving in some way,
                                                  collectively, so as to
                                                  feel safer and feel we
                                                  do have control over
                                                  our spaces and lives.&nbsp;
                                                  A very important thing
                                                  that is happening is
                                                  that most everyone is
                                                  chanting repeatedly
                                                  "no more violence" and
                                                  "no to violence":
                                                  Apparently the burning
                                                  of the door of the
                                                  National Palace was
                                                  done by a soldier from
                                                  the Mexican army in
                                                  order to justify the
                                                  intervention of the
                                                  police against the
                                                  crowd of protesters;
                                                  at least that is what
                                                  even the major
                                                  newspapers say.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I would like to
                                                  suggest here that the
                                                  performance of
                                                  violence and violent
                                                  performances are now
                                                  giving way to the
                                                  performance of
                                                  non-violence, but this
                                                  is arguably a
                                                  different kind of
                                                  performed violence.&nbsp;
                                                  The installations
                                                  using empy chairs,
                                                  cards, mementos and
                                                  photos of the
                                                  students, public
                                                  performances of those
                                                  marching throwing
                                                  themselves to the
                                                  ground and remaining
                                                  motionless for many
                                                  minutes, the holding
                                                  of signs on cardboard
                                                  or cloth, and the
                                                  chants hostile to the
                                                  government are all
                                                  part of so-called
                                                  non-violent
                                                  demostrations, but
                                                  they are in fact
                                                  violent, and they are
                                                  meant to shake our
                                                  government officials
                                                  and public peace
                                                  keepers to the bones.&nbsp;
                                                  I am not sure these
                                                  tacticts are working,
                                                  since neither our
                                                  politicians nor the
                                                  rest of the world seem
                                                  to pay any attention
                                                  or be in the least
                                                  disturbed, but they
                                                  are bringing about a
                                                  new,
                                                  publically-constructed
                                                  collective
                                                  understanding of
                                                  non-violent protest.&nbsp;
                                                  And it is also a way
                                                  to re-construct some
                                                  feeling of being safe.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I find it interesting
                                                  that the collective
                                                  performance of
                                                  non-violence is meant
                                                  as a violent act, and
                                                  that it is expected to
                                                  stop the physical
                                                  violence of the
                                                  killings and forced
                                                  disappearances that
                                                  sadly mark everyday
                                                  life today in much of
                                                  Mexico.&nbsp; To my mind,
                                                  it is a reinvention of
                                                  passive aggression,
                                                  this time in
                                                  collective forms.&nbsp; But
                                                  all in all, perhaps it
                                                  is a good step in a
                                                  good direction.&nbsp; <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Thanks again for this
                                                  discussion.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Gabriela Vargas-Cetina<br>
                                                  Merida, Yucatan,
                                                  Mexico<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://antropuntodevista.blogspot.mx" target="_blank">http://antropuntodevista.blogspot.mx</a>
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                                                  On 11/10/14, 4:19 PM,
                                                  Ana Vald&eacute;s wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div>Maybe Mexico is
                                                      too near the US to
                                                      be worth some
                                                      alert in Google?
                                                      :(<br>
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                                                    Ana<br>
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                                                    <div
                                                      class="gmail_quote">On
                                                      Mon, Nov 10, 2014
                                                      at 7:51 PM, Diana
                                                      Taylor <span
                                                        dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:diana.taylorny@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">diana.taylorny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                      wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Yes of
                                                          course you
                                                          did-- I was
                                                          referring to
                                                          the Google
                                                          news feed
                                                          reported by
                                                          Alan. I
                                                          thought THAT
                                                          was
                                                          interesting in
                                                          its omission.
                                                          Apologies if
                                                          you thought I
                                                          was referring
                                                          to your posts
                                                          Ana!</div>
                                                          <div>Diana<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Diana Taylor
                                                          <div>University
                                                          Professor</div>
                                                          <div>Professor
                                                          of Performance
                                                          Studies and
                                                          Spanish, NYU</div>
                                                          <div>Director,
                                                          Hemispheric
                                                          Institute of
                                                          Performance
                                                          and Politics</div>
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                                                          On Nov 10,
                                                          2014, at 3:51
                                                          PM, Ana Vald&eacute;s
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:agora158@gmail.com" target="_blank">agora158@gmail.com</a>&gt;

                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Some
                                                          quick answers:
                                                          Jon, check the
                                                          archives of
                                                          -empyre and
                                                          you can read
                                                          Alicia
                                                          Migdal's
                                                          quotations of
                                                          Agamben and
                                                          its Homo
                                                          Sacer.<br>
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                                                          And Diana, two
                                                          days ago I
                                                          posted to the
                                                          list the links
                                                          with live
                                                          strem to the
                                                          protests in
                                                          Mexico when
                                                          the news of
                                                          the killed 43
                                                          students
                                                          reached us.
                                                          And Alicia and
                                                          me discussed
                                                          it in the
                                                          list. <br>
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                                                          Ana<br>
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                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Nov 10,
                                                          2014 at 2:04
                                                          PM, Jon
                                                          McKenzie <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jvmckenzie@wisc.edu" target="_blank">jvmckenzie@wisc.edu</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>typographic
                                                          t/error:&nbsp;&nbsp;"the
                                                          neutral
                                                          observer of
                                                          vita
                                                          contemplativa"</div>
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                                                          <div>On Nov
                                                          10, 2014, at
                                                          9:59 AM, Jon
                                                          McKenzie &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jvmckenzie@wisc.edu" target="_blank">jvmckenzie@wisc.edu</a>&gt;

                                                          wrote:</div>
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